Immer noch Problem mit Turniererstellung

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Immer noch Problem mit Turniererstellung

Postby Tenarro » Sat Mar 10, 2012 3:49 pm

Hi all,

die Erstellung eines Turniers mit 2 Gruppen und einer anschließenden KO-Runde ist mir in JL immernoch ein Rätzel.

Ich habe bereits das Wiki und dieses Forum durchforstet und habe auch darüber etwas gefunden. Aber irgendwie klappt das bei mir nicht.

Was habe ich vor:
1 Projekt
2 Gruppen zu je x Teams
danach Halbfinale und Finale
danach Platzierungsspiele (Spiel um Platz 7, um Platz 5, kleines Finale <- je nach Teamanzahl)

Folgendes habe ich gemacht:
- Division mit 3 Gruppen, wobei eine als Parent für die beiden anderen gesetzt ist und die KO-Runde darstellen soll.
- Teams den Gruppen A und B zugewiesen
- Spieltage und Spiele erstellt und Ergebnisse eingetragen
- Turnierbaum erstellt und die Division "KO-Runde" gesetzt
- Best of 4 (Der Sinn dieser Einstellung ist mir nicht klar, da weiter unten gewählt wird, wieviele Teams teilnehmen - vermute aber mal, das wäre bei Turnierbäumen mit 10 Teams, wo Zweige wegfallen - korregiert mich bitte, wenn ich falsch vermute)
- Bei den folgenden 3 Sachen habe ich alle möglichen Kombinationen ausprobiert, komme aber nicht über Runde 1 hinaus. zumal ich :
--- JL_ADMIN_TREETO_KNOWN (keine Ahnung, wofür das sein soll)
--- JL_ADMIN_TREETO_MATCHDAY (womöglich, ob Spieltage dazu bereits vorhanden sind?)
--- JL_ADMIN_TREETO_FAKE (ermöglicht ein manuelles Füllen des Turnierbaums im Backend - wird im Frontend aber nicht mit Teamnamen gefüllt)
- JL_ADMIN_TREETO_INDEX (Frei übersetzt, welche Baumstruktur eingesetzt wird) auf 4 Teams eingestellt
- anschließend Test/Vorschau und speichern, da ich keine Felder ausblenden muss
- und nun gehen die Probleme richtig los:
--- Wähle ich in den Dropdowns das entsprechende Team aus und klicke auf Speichern, werden diese nicht mehr angezeigt. Eine Auswahl der entsprechenden Spiele aus den vorher erstellten Spieltagen gibt es anscheinend nicht.
--- wähle ich "Spiel erstellen" kann ich wieder aus den Dropdowns meine Paarungen reinklicken und ordne sie einem bestehenden Spieltag zu.
--- Das anschließende speichern leert mir wieder den Tree.
--- Im vorher ausgewählten Spieltag befindet sich dann eine Vielzahl an neuen Spielen (statt der eigentlich benötigten 2) ohne Teams.
--- Stelle ich dann dort die Teams ein und trage die Ergebnisse ein, ist im Frontend mein Tree immernoch leer, in der Gruppentabelle sind die Ergebnisse aber mit verrechnet worden (sprich, die Halbfinalisten haben nun ein Spiel mehr)
--- außerdem läßt sich der neue Spieltag in der Gruppentabellenansicht auswählen und zeigt dann natürlich ein falsches Ergebnis an, da es sich ja dort schon um die KO-Runde handeln müßte.

Zum Thema mit den Platzierungsspielen bin ich noch gar nicht gekommen, da ich bereits bei der Eintragung des Halbfinals scheitere.

Nun meine Fragen:
- Kann mir bitte jemand mal Step-by-Step erklären, wie ich diese Art von Turnier in ein Projekt quetschen und im Frontend richtig anzeigen lassen kann?
- gibt es die Möglichkeit, dieses Turnier in einer view zu zeigen?
- Wenn nicht, gibt es die Möglichkeit, dies als Feature Request einzubasteln?


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Re: Immer noch Problem mit Turniererstellung

Postby And_One » Sat Mar 10, 2012 4:26 pm

Das Ganze dann in Englisch und comraden kann dir helfen ;)

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Re: Immer noch Problem mit Turniererstellung

Postby comraden » Sat Mar 10, 2012 4:36 pm

And_One wrote:Das Ganze dann in Englisch und comraden kann dir helfen ;)

he he ...
tourneymaster comraden ( :whistling: ) said: install treerank ext and U could organize tournament as U want ..
in ONE project :D

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@and_one, could U send to tenarro price for extension? ;)
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Re: Immer noch Problem mit Turniererstellung

Postby And_One » Sat Mar 10, 2012 4:57 pm

hehe tourneymaster comraden, your wish is my command :P

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Re: Immer noch Problem mit Turniererstellung

Postby Tenarro » Sat Mar 10, 2012 9:23 pm

sry tournamentmaster :oops:

lets try it in english:


the creation of a tournament with two groups and a subsequent knock-out stage is still a mistery for me.

I've already scoured the wiki and this forum and have found a bit about it. But somehow that does not works for me.

What I did before:
1 Project
2 groups of X teams
after: semi-finals and finals
after: placement games (Game for 7th place, 5th place, small final - depending on the number of teams)

Here's what I did:
- Division 3 groups, one being set as the parent for the other two and is intended to represent the knockout round.
- Team assigned to groups A and B
- Created events and games and results recorded
- Tournament brackets created and the division "knockout stage" set to it
- Best of 4 (The meaning of this setting is not clear to me there will be further down selected, how many teams participate - but let's suppose that would be in competition with 10 teams trees, where branches disappear - correct me if I guess wrong)
- For the following 3 things I've tried all possible combinations, but it would not be beyond Round 1.
--- JL_ADMIN_TREETO_KNOWN (no idea what it should be)
--- JL_ADMIN_TREETO_MATCHDAY (possibly, if this matchdays still exists?)
--- JL_ADMIN_TREETO_FAKE (allows for manual filling of the tournament tree in the back - the front end is not filled with team name)
- JL_ADMIN_TREETO_INDEX (Freely translated, that tree is used) is set to 4 teams
- Then test/preview and save because I do not need to hide fields
- And now the problems are going on:
--- when i choose the teams in drop-downs and click on Save, they will no longer appear. It seems there is no selection of the relevant games from the previously created matchdays.
--- when I click on "Create Match" i must click in the teams from the dropdowns again and assign them to an existing matchday.
--- click on save empties the tree again.
--- In the choosen matchday are a few new matches (instead of actually needed 2) without assigned teams.
--- when i assign the teams to each needed match and fill out results my tree in the front end is still empty, but in the group table the results have been charged with (ie, the semi-finalists now have a game more than other teams)
--- Also it is possible to select the new matchday in the group table view, and then of course it shows a wrong result because this should be a knockout round.

To the subject of the classification matches I'm not come yet, because I fail already at the entry of the semi-finals.

Now my questions:
- Can someone please give me a Step-by-step discription how I can squeeze that kind of event in one project and let the front end display correctly?
- Is it possible to view the tournament in one view?
- If not, is there a possibility to make a feature request for it?



Mistakes are under the "Google Translation" license - I hope u will understand my problem :)


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Re: Immer noch Problem mit Turniererstellung

Postby timoline » Sat Mar 10, 2012 9:45 pm

I think it will be possible with comraden's new treerank extension.
But you have to be a little patience, he will release it very soon
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Re: Immer noch Problem mit Turniererstellung

Postby Tenarro » Sat Mar 10, 2012 9:56 pm

tyvm for your answers :)
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Re: Immer noch Problem mit Turniererstellung

Postby comraden » Sat Mar 10, 2012 10:22 pm

ok, my team win today and little beers drinked...
so show possibilities:
1.at least 2 (two) projects in present version of JL (maybe more...)
2.with treerank always ONE project for all possible tourney (quaranteee) he he he he
3.what U got with treerank:
2 groups(divisions) played each other -> ranking for that (GROUP STAGE)
then knockout stage (+ ranking for this stage)
Tree doesn't work good now(I coded this long time ago and some functions not work).
Present version of treerank either, but give me one week for that...
4.Let's say U wanna playoff with upper league(teams from place 1&2 go to upper league, 3-rd place played match for access to upper league -> simple add new ranking.
5.Let's say U got teams scored the same number of points in Group A(Group stage) and U wanna show small table for this ~5 teams -> simple add new ranking "Table in group A"
so, in ONE project U got sth like this:
Cliking on every blue link will give u ranking for that tourney stage...
Group stage: 2x8 teams(only matches from group stage)
Table in group A: 5 teams(only points & matches between 5 teams)
PlayOff:2x4 teams from group, so 8 teams ranking(ranking from tree bracket)
Project: 16 teams after knockout stage(points & matches from Group stage + tree)
Playoff: 2 teams (one from this project+ one from upper league)(only match between those 2 teams)
Project after plauoffs: 17 teams(all matches in project, ranking depends on Project+Playoff)
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Re: Immer noch Problem mit Turniererstellung

Postby Tenarro » Sun Mar 11, 2012 5:55 pm

Congratulations to your team and cheers :)

Your ext sounds like I could handle following projects:

Group Stage:
Group A - 6 teams
Group B - 6 teams

Semi-final:
winner A vs 2nd B
winner B vs 2nd A

Ranking matches
6th A vs 6th B -> winner is 11th in tournament ranking
5th A vs 5th B -> winner is 9th in tournament ranking
4th A vs 4th B -> winner is 7th in tournament ranking
3th A vs 3th B -> winner is 5th in tournament ranking

Small final (place 3 - match)
loosers of semi-final -> winner is 3th in tournament ranking

Final
winners of semi-final


All our tournaments are like this. Only the number of teams can be different.

Let me pls know when this great ext is released. I think i will test it if it can handle our crazy tournament modes :D


Tyvm and have a nice day

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Re: Immer noch Problem mit Turniererstellung

Postby comraden » Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:55 am

ok, today my another team lost, so little beers drinked ;)
few possiblities in treerank, I'll show one of them:
Group stage (2x6 teams)-> ranking as 2 tables: A & B
Final (12 teams) [special tree with hidden columns for showing who played with ] ->ranking as table 12 teams
Thats all.
Of course if there was interesting table for teams scored the same amount of points in group A or B-> ranking for that table

the same for any number of teams in group A&B -> only different tree look like (but still as admin individual creation, out of developer help)
so You wait till end of developing and collect cash ... :whistling:
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Re: Immer noch Problem mit Turniererstellung

Postby Tenarro » Mon Mar 12, 2012 9:56 am

i hope its not too expensive. we are only a hobby soccer team with 1 less paying sponsor and JL isnt a stable version and is not for actually J!2.5 ;)

But i told in other posts that i have no problem to pay a bit for this component or some customize features coz its a great one.

One last question: is your price within update support to J!2.5 if there will be a new JL version?


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Re: Immer noch Problem mit Turniererstellung

Postby comraden » Mon Mar 12, 2012 11:07 am

price is unknown yet.
It depends on :
- number of developers involved;
- features added to ext;
- (...)

Maybe price will be for one year period?
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