Clarification about the backend, design, and purpose.

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Clarification about the backend, design, and purpose.

Postby lukerobi » Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:59 pm

Hey everyone..

I just have a few questions about joomleague! I wish there was some more documentation on the wiki page, but I am here for some clarity.

What I am trying to do:
I have a small indoor soccer facility. We have 2 different types of sports (soccer & flag football), and several leagues for each.

I am trying to figure out how the hierarchy of all this plays out in the backend. Does all of this go under a single project? What is the point of a project?

We don't have any clubs (typically), so how does that come into effect? Can I take them out of the system?


I mainly want to clarify the terminology... What you might call a league, I might call a division (vise-versa)?

Basic example of how our system works:
Leagues: Men-Monday, Men-Wednesday, Co-Ed-Wednesday, ECT...
Divisions: Each league has a few divisions based on team ability and skill
Teams: each division has teams

Can i manage all of this with joomleague without creating unwanted headaches? I would like to be able to post schedules, records, standings, ect.. Or is this not really for me? If not, does anyone have any recommendations?

Does anyone have a working site that works from this perspective?

Thanks!!

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Re: Clarification about the backend, design, and purpose.

Postby timoline » Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:11 pm

IMHO the wiki is clear enough and explains exactly what a project or league is...
http://www.joomleague.at/dokuwiki/doku ... oc:backend

You are correct about divisions, even that one is not really clear for me too (but I dont use it, so I cant help you with that one)

In your situation a team is a club too, normally a club can have multiple teams (so ypu dont need to take them out)

I think your example is correct, so you do understand how it works ;)

Sure you can use JL for this, there are enough examples in the Gallery:
http://www.joomleague.at/index.php?opt ... Itemid=118

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Re: Clarification about the backend, design, and purpose.

Postby lukerobi » Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:32 pm

timoline wrote:IMHO the wiki is clear enough and explains exactly what a project or league is...
http://www.joomleague.at/dokuwiki/doku ... oc:backend


I read that page, that page tells you absolutely nothing. I clicked on projected and saw http://www.joomleague.at/dokuwiki/doku ... n:projects ... This is what is says:

Code: Select all

Here you can create Projects, a Project requires a season,league and a sport type.
Make sure you created these first!
Examples are: Bundesliga 2010-2011, Eredivisie 2010/2011…etc…

That tells you nothing about a project's purpose, it just tells you what they require.

Here is the entire page on a league:

Code: Select all

Here you can create Leagues.
Examples are: League A, Premier league, Eredivisie, Bundesliga….etc…

Again... not very specific and not addressing the questions I wanted to answer.

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Re: Clarification about the backend, design, and purpose.

Postby And_One » Tue Feb 14, 2012 11:19 pm

ok your are right, the wiki is not very clear (pls edit it to help others to understand it better). let me try to explain how i understand what a project is:

a project is a containter of specific settings to define to what the project belongs. which sports-type (soccer), which league (bundesliga), which season (2011/12) and so on ... important is that you can define various settings what your project exactly is. there are settings for match details, how many half times (e.g. soccer has 2, esport-dods 2 or 1, depends on the league). check out all possibilities on the prj settings page, there are a few tabs where you can define those settings.
depending on those settings is it possible to administrate alot of sports-types (leagues) .

a team needs a parent club. when you create a club is it possible to autocreate a team (select the checkbox).

joomleague match administration is based on at least one assigned team to the project with or without assigned project teamplayers.

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Re: Clarification about the backend, design, and purpose.

Postby lukerobi » Tue Feb 14, 2012 11:25 pm

Thank you And_One!

Could you tell me how divisions might work? Or maybe give me an example of how I would setup the example in the first post of this thread?

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Re: Clarification about the backend, design, and purpose.

Postby And_One » Tue Feb 14, 2012 11:36 pm

Divisions: Each league has a few divisions based on team ability and skill


Project = League

so your setup would be to create project, type = DIVSIONS LEAGUE, assign league + season + all needed other values ... after that select the new project with the project dropdown selector and create your needed amount of divisions. if you dont need subdivision, leave the parent blank. on the projecteams view assign every team to a specific division. there is a division filter on the projectteams view and on the matches view. new added teams are assigned without a division.

check out http://www.schuetzen-ligaverwaltung.shg24.com/

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Re: Clarification about the backend, design, and purpose.

Postby lukerobi » Wed Feb 15, 2012 1:05 am

Sorry, I am unable to really get much out of that website you posted. (I don't speak any German)

So in my case:
-Each project would need it's own league. (Ouch, I have 14)
-Each club has only 1 team, but I still have to make a club for each team?
-I have to enter a matchday for everyday that there is play for that league.

The more and more I look into this, I feel this extension is very nice if you were on a sports team. However, I don't quite think it is the right tool to manage an entire system. I think for this to work with my situation, I would have to redo the entire admin backend in order to save hours of mindless data entry.

I want to thank you very much for your help, I will look at this some more.. but I don't think it will work for me without MUCH modification. (Since it is a commercial environment.)

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Re: Clarification about the backend, design, and purpose.

Postby comraden » Wed Feb 15, 2012 1:22 am

lukerobi wrote:So in my case:
-Each project would need it's own league. (Ouch, I have 14)
-Each club has only 1 team, but I still have to make a club for each team?
-I have to enter a matchday for everyday that there is play for that league.

My 2 cents:
1. In Your case create only 2 league: soccer and flag (of course its a sport types, but what for 14 leagues?)
U have to create 14 projects.
2. Create only teams (without club)
3. U could create matchday for whole week (not for day)
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About divisions and tournament organisation I have to know little more ... :confused:
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Re: Clarification about the backend, design, and purpose.

Postby lukerobi » Wed Feb 15, 2012 1:30 am

Our setup:
We currently run 14 leagues, then we give each league 3 to 6 divisions, and each division has up to 6 teams.

It is common for us to have 200 teams at once playing at our facility... That is what I was trying to get at, this system seems to be designed from the perspective of a team, rather than from ours.. (So it is a little backwards for us.)

Does anyone have a suggestion?

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Re: Clarification about the backend, design, and purpose.

Postby tranceRoller » Wed Feb 15, 2012 6:28 am

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Re: Clarification about the backend, design, and purpose.

Postby lukerobi » Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:18 am

tranceRoller wrote:Could be helpfull
http://www.joomleague.at/dokuwiki/doku ... o_organize

We don't do any tournaments.

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Re: Clarification about the backend, design, and purpose.

Postby timoline » Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:38 am

lukerobi wrote:Our setup:
We currently run 14 leagues, then we give each league 3 to 6 divisions, and each division has up to 6 teams.

It is common for us to have 200 teams at once playing at our facility... That is what I was trying to get at, this system seems to be designed from the perspective of a team, rather than from ours.. (So it is a little backwards for us.)

Does anyone have a suggestion?


I'm afraid there is NO perfect system for you, unless you create one yourself
Personally I think joomleague will do the job for you,BUT with your system, you indeed have a lot of work to manage it...(manage 200 teams with x rounds and matches,14 leagues, each league 3 to 6 divisions....the db doesnt fill itself)

To keep you awake.......there is no application where you just press start and everything is automated only by thinking about it!
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Re: Clarification about the backend, design, and purpose.

Postby comraden » Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:06 am

lukerobi wrote:We don't do any tournaments.

Lets look at Men-Monday (for example):
~6divisions x 6 teams = 36 teams
in every divisions teams played each other -> 6 rankings
What next? Finish?
Or teams, depends on ranking from divisions, move to new divisions?
If YES, then jl_team call this TOURNAMENT.
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